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November 5, 2008 at 8:59 am
anand sarwate
Hey hey, only 52% (!!!) of them are complete and utter jerks.
I say we outlaw divorce now. Then we can all look forward to life being like Divorzio all’italiana.
November 5, 2008 at 10:28 am
Doug Tygar
Presumably, your hate extends does not extend to the counties of Alameda (No 62%), Alpine (No 56%), Contra Costa (No 55%), Humbolt (No 60%), Marin (No 75%), Mendocino (No 62%), Mono (No 56%), Monterey (No 51%), Napa (No 55%), San Francisco (No 77%), San Mateo (No 62%), Santa Barbara (No 53%), Santa Clara (No 56%), Santa Cruz (No 71%), Sonoma (No 66%), and Yolo (No 58%).
Here is a widget to play with.
November 5, 2008 at 11:09 am
james
It seems more appropriate to address this to the “African-American people of California,” who apparently believe in conservation of oppression.
November 5, 2008 at 11:48 am
luca
I reciprocate dislike, not hate. And,54% of the people of San Diego, your heart is made of stone.
November 5, 2008 at 12:03 pm
luca
Besides, what’s the point of even having a Constitution if it can be amended by a simple majority in a single vote.
November 5, 2008 at 1:06 pm
D. Eppstein
Allowing a majority vote on whether to take away rights from a minority is never the right thing to do.
November 7, 2008 at 9:49 pm
Carsey
Re. james’ comment blaming blacks– African-Americans make up 6.2% of the California population; even if they did vote in higher proportions for Prop 8 (and I have yet to see truly reliable statistics demonstrating that) compared to the general population (let’s say 7 to 3 rather than 5 to 5) we’d still have lost. To suggest that race was a major determinant in how people voted– rather than religion or (liberal higher) education or urban/rural lifestyle & influences– strikes me as convenient scapegoating. Racializing the debate in this way strikes me as terribly unhelpful, and it’s particularly unfair to blacks who voted against Prop 8. Next time we just have to raise more money and do a better job of getting our message out to ALL the diverse communities and religious congregations in California.
November 8, 2008 at 8:22 am
james
Check your numbers. 10% of California voters in this election were African-American, and the exit polls indicate that 70% voted for prop 8. Given that 51.7% of the population voted yes on 8, the math indicates that if black voters had just voted in line with the rest of the population, prop 8 would have failed.
In any case, I was not “racializing” the debate. My comment is meant as a condemnation of all of us. It happens that, in this case, African-Americans are a historically oppressed population, and a large part of the culture they grow up in is steeped in anti-oppressive sentiments, and a mistrust of those in a position to do the oppressing. I would hope that anyone in that position would be vigilant in fighting the oppression of any minority group, from a purely *selfish* standpoint. I am disappointed in the inability of humans to generalize.
November 8, 2008 at 2:12 pm
satish
I am disappointed. Terribly, terribly so. Disagree though I do, this is my home and thus bear some responsibility. Alas, what to do?
So far, just hoping (against hope?) for a reversal by the courts… we’ll see.
November 8, 2008 at 6:25 pm
luca
There is plenty of blame to go around. Nancy Pelosi said nothing, many opponents of Prop 8 waited until the last moment to donate (this includes me), while already the Prop 8 campaign had had the time and the money to frame the issue. An the ‘No on 8′ ran a distinctly uninspiring and timid campaign (cf. Kerry, 2004) at a time when Democrats wanted boldness and excitement.
But just like facts don’t have a liberal bias, they don’t have a racial bias either, and it is a fact that 70% of blacks voted Yes. The point is where to go from here.
Writing off the black community as hopeless, which, by the way, appears to be what the ‘No on 8′ campaign (whose staff was all white save for the token black guy) did, would be a huge mistake. Indeed even the inevitable lingering resentment is a problem.
This is not just because black votes will be necessary to repeal the amendment down the road, but also for the sake of black gay kids, who do not deserve to have to grow up torn between a community that abhors their sexuality and a community that is angry at their ethnic group.
There is a lot of outreach and persuasion to do for the California gay community and their friends. The gay rights movement has got to stop being perceived as the “movement for the rights of middle-class gay white people,” and take on a more diverse face. And it must be more supportive of black gay kids to come out, because the only way to really change people’s minds is for loved ones to come out, and to put a human face on an abstract issue.
And there has to be a way to embrace, rather than antagonize, people of faith. That, and the Mormon Church has got to lose its tax-exempt status.
November 9, 2008 at 11:47 pm
anand sarwate
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