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		<title>By: Fahad Al Tamimi</title>
		<link>http://lucatrevisan.wordpress.com/2012/08/08/the-long-tail-of-online-education/#comment-10985</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Fahad Al Tamimi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Mar 2013 22:02:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My family members all the time say that I am wasting my time here at web, however I 
know I am getting familiarity everyday by reading thes 
fastidious content.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My family members all the time say that I am wasting my time here at web, however I<br />
know I am getting familiarity everyday by reading thes<br />
fastidious content.</p>
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		<title>By: Hello, and Welcome to Fun with Expanders &#124; in theory</title>
		<link>http://lucatrevisan.wordpress.com/2012/08/08/the-long-tail-of-online-education/#comment-10782</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hello, and Welcome to Fun with Expanders &#124; in theory]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Mar 2013 18:33:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] in the planning, my online course on graph partitioning algorithms, expanders, and random walks, will start next [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] in the planning, my online course on graph partitioning algorithms, expanders, and random walks, will start next [...]</p>
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		<title>By: luca</title>
		<link>http://lucatrevisan.wordpress.com/2012/08/08/the-long-tail-of-online-education/#comment-10314</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2013 20:54:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No, the videos aren&#039;t ready yet; when they are, the course will be online and open to all]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, the videos aren&#8217;t ready yet; when they are, the course will be online and open to all</p>
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		<title>By: Amin</title>
		<link>http://lucatrevisan.wordpress.com/2012/08/08/the-long-tail-of-online-education/#comment-10312</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2013 18:13:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m taking the course is being taught online, but it&#039;s not open to the public, right?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m taking the course is being taught online, but it&#8217;s not open to the public, right?</p>
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		<title>By: Despre viitorul care vine peste noi &#8211; in inv&#227;ţ&#227;m&#226;ntul superior şi cercetare &#124; Isarlâk</title>
		<link>http://lucatrevisan.wordpress.com/2012/08/08/the-long-tail-of-online-education/#comment-10095</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Despre viitorul care vine peste noi &#8211; in inv&#227;ţ&#227;m&#226;ntul superior şi cercetare &#124; Isarlâk]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2013 08:52:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] cursurile introductive, &#8220;de masã&#8221;. Nu mi se pare o obiecţie intemeiatã: in fond, dupã cum o dovedeşte o discuţie pe blogul lui Luca Trevisan, internetul e chiar mai favorabil cursurilor avansate, care fatalmente au o audienţã redusã. Un [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] cursurile introductive, &#8220;de masã&#8221;. Nu mi se pare o obiecţie intemeiatã: in fond, dupã cum o dovedeşte o discuţie pe blogul lui Luca Trevisan, internetul e chiar mai favorabil cursurilor avansate, care fatalmente au o audienţã redusã. Un [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Shewchuk</title>
		<link>http://lucatrevisan.wordpress.com/2012/08/08/the-long-tail-of-online-education/#comment-6703</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jonathan Shewchuk]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2012 05:20:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[10 hours to produce videos?  Why so long?

I couldn&#039;t lecture half as well in a studio as I do live--I &lt;i&gt;need&lt;/i&gt; the audience to get in the flow, the bigger the better--so I don&#039;t foresee ever doing 10-hour videos.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>10 hours to produce videos?  Why so long?</p>
<p>I couldn&#8217;t lecture half as well in a studio as I do live&#8211;I <i>need</i> the audience to get in the flow, the bigger the better&#8211;so I don&#8217;t foresee ever doing 10-hour videos.</p>
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		<title>By: luca</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[luca]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2012 04:21:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@anon I plan to use a platform that John Mitchell and his students have been developing for some time.

@doug and jonathan: in my experience it takes 5-10 hours to write down lecture notes for a 90-minute class, but it takes only 1-2 hours if I don&#039;t write notes, so it&#039;s in the ballpark of the factor of 4 of Jonathan&#039;s. I have been told that it takes about 10 hours to produce videos with the content of a 90-minute class (not counting editing, uploading etc which is done by a ta) so there is no advantage there. 

I think that it is easier to learn advanced material by taking a class than by reading a book: part of it is that a proof presented verbally has a different &quot;flow&quot; from the way it is usually written down (although I make an effort, in papers and notes, to write proofs as I would describe them verbally); part of it is the schedule of two classes a week, that keeps you moving forward, while on your own it&#039;s easier to get sidetracked. The online class format would recreate those advantages for the non-Stanford students taking the class. For the Stanford students, there is the &quot;flipped classroom&quot; model, of which I am skeptical, but people that know about teaching more than I do swear by its effectiveness.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@anon I plan to use a platform that John Mitchell and his students have been developing for some time.</p>
<p>@doug and jonathan: in my experience it takes 5-10 hours to write down lecture notes for a 90-minute class, but it takes only 1-2 hours if I don&#8217;t write notes, so it&#8217;s in the ballpark of the factor of 4 of Jonathan&#8217;s. I have been told that it takes about 10 hours to produce videos with the content of a 90-minute class (not counting editing, uploading etc which is done by a ta) so there is no advantage there. </p>
<p>I think that it is easier to learn advanced material by taking a class than by reading a book: part of it is that a proof presented verbally has a different &#8220;flow&#8221; from the way it is usually written down (although I make an effort, in papers and notes, to write proofs as I would describe them verbally); part of it is the schedule of two classes a week, that keeps you moving forward, while on your own it&#8217;s easier to get sidetracked. The online class format would recreate those advantages for the non-Stanford students taking the class. For the Stanford students, there is the &#8220;flipped classroom&#8221; model, of which I am skeptical, but people that know about teaching more than I do swear by its effectiveness.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2012 20:29:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Luca: What platform will this be released on?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Luca: What platform will this be released on?</p>
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		<title>By: Saravanan Thirumuruganathan</title>
		<link>http://lucatrevisan.wordpress.com/2012/08/08/the-long-tail-of-online-education/#comment-6646</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Saravanan Thirumuruganathan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2012 12:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Looking forward to your class !]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looking forward to your class !</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Shewchuk</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jonathan Shewchuk]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2012 03:34:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Luca:  Great point.  There are probably quite a few people who could put together a decent undergrad AI course--I don&#039;t mean to understate the amount of work and talent required to do it well, but I think there are at least a few dozen people who could do it.  But _some_ graduate courses are utterly unique, or at least come with a unique emphasis or perspective.  (I think your course will be a fine example of that.)

Doug:  My personal experience is that it does indeed take less time to prepare a lecture than written material; for me, by about a factor of four.  I suppose much of this gap is because of higher standards for the written material; e.g. machine-drawn figures instead of hand-drawn, formal prose instead of conversational.  If I had to write out all my graduate lectures so they could stand alone, I&#039;d never get them done on time.  Though I agree with you that it would be better if I could.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Luca:  Great point.  There are probably quite a few people who could put together a decent undergrad AI course&#8211;I don&#8217;t mean to understate the amount of work and talent required to do it well, but I think there are at least a few dozen people who could do it.  But _some_ graduate courses are utterly unique, or at least come with a unique emphasis or perspective.  (I think your course will be a fine example of that.)</p>
<p>Doug:  My personal experience is that it does indeed take less time to prepare a lecture than written material; for me, by about a factor of four.  I suppose much of this gap is because of higher standards for the written material; e.g. machine-drawn figures instead of hand-drawn, formal prose instead of conversational.  If I had to write out all my graduate lectures so they could stand alone, I&#8217;d never get them done on time.  Though I agree with you that it would be better if I could.</p>
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